For Fox's Earl and Chuck... Who can recieve Digital 6?

[Tom Snyder]

I wanted to dedicate a single thread so they have one place to see who can and who cannot pickup Digital 6 over the air so they can update their <a href="http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/photos/WITI-DT.GIF">coverage map</a>, which only shows a single viewer in Menomonee Falls.

Please post: Whether or not you get a watchable signal, Rough street location, antenna, STB/Tuner Info, and if you have a way to measure it, what signal strength. (Obviously, post only if you have a way to pick up OTA signals)

I'll kick it off...

I CANNOT
Germantown, Goldendale and Mequon rd.
Radio Shack Double Bow Tie/RCA DTC-100
Signal Strentgh of 25



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[StarvingForHDTV]

I can pick it up. South central Mequon. RS double bow tie in attic. Sony HD200. Signal strength reading mid range. No dropouts of audio or video.

Starving

[Mike Sheahan]

I used to be able to get a 100% signal before WISN went online, but now I rarly get more than 15 to 25 percent, which results in nothing but chunks of pixelated blocks.

For some reason I don't understand, I was able to get 65% out of it today with very touchy rotor adjustments, and I actually could watch the Packers get embarassed by the Vikes.

It really is a shame that so few are able to see that amazing Fox Widescreen coverage. It is the best Pro Football picture you can get right now.

Unfortunatly for Fox affiliates it's going to look pretty shabby up against MNF next year though. You would think they would want to capitalize on it this year while they have the advantage.

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Mits 65819
Hughes E86
My HT Page (http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/mike_sheahan/Home_Theater.htm)

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[Gregg Lengling]

I used to be able to get it before WISN and WTMJ went full time (when either was on the air I couldn't).
Now I cannot receive it on either antenna or receiver.
I have a highgain antenna at 50' with preamp and another at 40' without preamp.
3 blocks west of downtown Cedarburg.

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Gregg R. Lengling
RCA P61310 61" 16x9
HiDTV Pro 2 computer reciever card
glengling@ameritech.net

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[AndrewP]

I get "0", zilch, nothing at Muskego,
hwy 45 & Loomis

Andrew

[tschinner]

No surprise that up here in (just south of) Oostburg I don't get them. I have a roof-top antenna with a preamp.

I get CBS without a problem and I believe they are at a lower power. Of course their transmitter is up on their main tower.

[bigcheeshead]

I get 2% or less here in Menomonee Falls.
This is true for
apartment community antenna
RS double bowtie
and Zenith Silver HDTV sensor antenna
Between the 3 antenna's I get all other Milwaukee HDTV channels at nearly 100%

[David Hendrickson]

Nada. Town of Waukesha, Hwy 164 at Lawnsdale. All the other HD stations 100% with a Channel Master 4 bay bow tie on the roof, and a Mits SR-HD5 stb.

[Ty Zucker]

I live in Cedarburg at the corner of Madison & Cleveland - about 2 blocks west of downtown. We have an antenna on the roof and a DTC-100. I get a signal strength of 24 for 6-1.

[Matt Heebner]

I could not get a signal until I moved my Double Bow Tie antenna to the attic. I then got a 70 signal strength on my RCA DTC-100 at 60th and Wells here in Wauwatosa. The day WISN went live with their signal, FOX got knocked down to a solid 22 signal strength which is a "weak signal" according to the DTC-100.

Matt

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[ReesR]

Needless to say I don't get 6 digital in Racine.

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Rees Roberts
Racine, WI
reesr@wi.net

HDTV Receiver: Sony KD-34XBR2 16X9
Bi-directional AntennaCraft VHF Yagi Model #2260P
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2 Winegard PR9022 UHF yagi's pointing N & S
Antennas at about 30 feet
Samsung SIR-TS160 HD Directv receiver

[Joseph S]

High 80s on ABC,PBS, and NBC
Low 70s CBS

0 out of 100 for Fox

State St. Mil/Tosa

Community Roof antenna, Bow Tie, and Silver Sensor net zilch in their must carry zone. Of course there's nothing wrong?? http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/frown.gif It's time for the FCC to step in immediately. "Next Summer" is not a viable option considering they're already 6.5 months post the 5/1/02 deadline.

[oflaherty]

Near Prospect and North on the east side I can receive them if I move the RS double bowtie to the third floor window, turn it on it’s side and point it exactly right. It is watchable but breaks up every now and then.. it’s not a very strong signal.

Samsung SIR-T150
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Sean

[Todd Wiedemann]

Nothing here, Menomonee Falls, Hwy Q and Appleton.

[Kevin Arnold]

From North Lake Wisconsin with an amplified rooftop antenna and rotor - - channel 33 from Michigan analog comes in with a lot of snow. No Fox 33 though.

[Pat]

Nothing here, but I'm pretty much straight west and I have my antenna pointed southeast instead of east. Its on the roof, so I don't intend to change it -- well, maybe if Packers and widescreen go together again.

[RobbQ]

Nothing from just southeast of Miller Park in the City of Milwaukee. I have an antenna on the side of the house about 16-18 feet from the ground. I've tried the RS double bow-tie and three other antennas with never a peep from Fox 6, though all other stations come in great.

[Tom Sielicki]

I pick them up with a Yagi in the attic pointed directly at them. I am in Southeast side of Germantown. They did the Vikings/Packer game in widescreen and it looked good. (Not as good as the CBS HD college games but much better than analog FOX 6).
Malcolm in the middle and others looked good too. Not HD, but a big improvement over standard analog TV. If they could just double the power I would be happy because I still get an occasional jitter.

[Rafiki]

Southeast in Jackson. Antenna in attic.

All channels great except for FAUX 6. Can't even get 6-1.

[John Polulach]

No Fox, all other HD channels fine
84th & Wisconsin in Tosa
RS indoor antenna
Samsung Sir T 150

[drgingras]

50% signal with lots of breakups. 4-bay bow-tie with amp on rotor and high rooftop, NE corner of Greendale. Note: removal of amp drops the signal to 0. This is the SAME setup, that when pointed South, does a pretty good job of picking up the Chicago DTV stations http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Dish6000 with OTA (8vsb cart.)

Dave

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I kinda thought that might happen ...

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[Ken Smith]

Nothing here in Big Bend from TV6-DT. Fortunatly, Fox programs come in Great from WFLD-DT in Chicago.

[mcq]

Have never seen Faux 6 on either receiver. Low end Roof antenna. BTW I am at 27th and College in the actual City of Milwaukee... Isn't that the city of license for "6"

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Patrick K. McHugh MBA MCSE
mcq@mc-hugh.com
Sony 61HS10 (4x3!!!!)
RCA DTC100
Pioneer VSX-D710S Receiver
Infinity 5.1 (passive) Speakers

Intel 1.8ghz P4 w/ 512mb Memory
Digital Stream HiDTV Pro
ATI Radeon 8500 Dual Monitor Video
Viewsonic (Analog!) 19" monitor
ADI 17" MicroScan Panel
SB Live Platinum
Cambridge Soundworks Desktop 5.1 Speakers

I must be a real techno-geek as I have two full HDTV setups, one acting as a DVR!

[rpine]

No Ch-33 at Wauwatosa (Milwaukee Ave & 66th St). Even with Ch-34 off the air during the day due to tower work, I cannot receive Ch-33. All other channels are great, power meter pegged (I get no numeric reading) except for Ch-8 - slightly lower.

Tosa- 66th St & Milwaukee
Attic antenna VHF/UHF
MyHD PC Tuner Card

[GS kid]

I'm near 1st and Mitchell and I get nothing at all from Fox 6 digital.---- GS kid

Sony 34xbr800 34-inch 16:9 tube
Samsung SIR-T151 HD decoder
Radio Shack HDTV digital indoor antenna




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[Tom Snyder]

Earl has been looking at these and gave me the following input:


Yes, I have looked at the results and I am not totally surprised. As I mentioned, the FCC standard of coverage (41 dBu over the city of license) is not going to blow a hole in anyone's receiver. WITI-DT is compliant with this standard presently. It absolutely requires a directional outdoor antenna (i.e. Yagi, preferably with rotator, the higher the better) anywhere except within close proximity of the transmitter. Losses through the roof and walls of a structure are significant at UHF, even in an attic. So an indoor antenna, no matter how good it is, might only be able to sniff 1/10th the signal available on the roof. Surprisingly, community antennas may not be much better. This is because of the numerous splits or "branches" of the antenna downlead necessary to feed multiple sets. The potential for in-band "suck-outs" and other signal impairments is geometrically related to the number of splits. This is why conventional, analog cable systems sometimes provide less than perfect pictures and sound; especially older systems that don't use fiber to get the signal very near to the subscriber before doing coax cable splits. Well-placed, high quality (some are not!) amplifiers can mitigate the losses, but do nothing to improve the "flatness" of the spectrum passband delivered to any given set. If this "flatness" is not preserved, the multi-tap equalizers in the DTV receiver run out of steam trying to correct the problem, while also trying to cope with any multipath (ghosting) from the antenna, which is their main target. The result can be plenty of signal, but no picture and no sound. BTW, this is why some manufacturers have increased the number of taps in more recent DTV receivers, which has enhanced performance compared to the first generation of DTV receivers.

Your earlier observation that there are probably areas within the contours shown on my map that do not get at least 41 dBu is absolutely correct. The prediction software (I use ComStudy 2.2 from RadioSoft [www.radiosoft.com]) which generates the maps uses FCC probability formulas for determining the contours. Only limited terrain information is incorporated, mainly ground elevation. Local conditions, such as trees, buildings, and other "clutter" are not considered. So reception within the contour is really statistically expressed as "reception at a certain percentage of locations, for a certain percentage of time," both percentages being less than 100%. Other techniques, such as computationally-intensive Longley-Rice modelling [also a feature of ComStudy], can give a more precise indication of signal strength at a particular location [useful for interference analysis], but can't make up for the fact that reception is nowhere near uniform within the FCC contours. I don't know of any good software that can accurately predict the multipath at any given site.

Best regards,

Earl

[fabff]

I'm located near Ruby Isle in Brookfield (North & Calhoun), with an outside Stealth antenna and a Samsung SIR T151 STB.

I have, at times, received a picture of sorts from Faux 6, but now all I get are a few blips and a "No Signal" message.

When will it end? Stay tuned.

[MarkS]

I live in Germantown, Hwy 45/Mequon road area and used to get FAUX 6 with a 60-68 signal until recently. I first noticed on Sunday checking for the Packer game and there was no picture. The same has been true ever since with signal strength fluctuating from 20-40.

Could this be due to 34-1 moving to 12-1?

[MarkS]

Oops! Forgot to read the directions.
I have a rooftop antenae and a DTC-100.
Location is actually Hwy 175 and Mequon Rd. in Germantown.

[Steve Mann]

Zilch here in Greenfield for Fox. Located around 27th and College. All other stations are received fine.

Panny TU-HDS20, Radio Shack 15-2160 (http://www.radioshack.com/searchsku.asp?find=15-2160) antenna in garage rafters. No signal meter on receiver.

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[johnmark]

I had a Sony XBR2 for two weeks and it got Fox six with a solid signal. I live in Richfield at Hwy167 and Scenic Dr. This is with an attic mounted RS 210 yagi. I can not get it now with a SIRT165 using the RS or an outdoor mounted Silver Sensor.

[Gregg Lengling]

Was this before November 1st when WISN-DT went on the air....they are adjacent channel and wiped it out for most of us (yeah the 3 or so that used to be able to get it).

[RRP]

*Samsung SIR-T151.
*Shorewood, Kensington/Maryland (Approx 8 miles from Fox studios)
*Put up a Winegard Platinum antenna in the attic as close as I could get it to the north wall pointing directly at WITI studios.
Got a clear signal last night with no dropouts. However, had trouble receiving other stations so had to reposition thus losing WITI signal. At least I know I can reposition it for packer games. Is WITI sending through widescreen still or is that on the backburner until their main tower is ready?

[borghe]

69th & Bluemound
RS Double Bowtie
Hughes E86

With the antenna I have sever multi-path and will only get 100 on WTMJ with occasional breakups. 10, 12, and 58 are all between 60-85. If I move the antenna outside on the porch facing the towers though, all signals will shoot to 100 and 6 at that point will shoot to a rock solid 45-55, which because it is so stable is 100% watchable.

[bigtony]

Zenith 1080
R.S. double bowtie
Bradley Rd. and Port Washington Rd. Fox Point

When poining to your location, good stable picture and audio. Approx 60-65%.

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[StarvingForHDTV]

Originally posted by RRP:
*Samsung SIR-T151.
*Shorewood, Kensington/Maryland (Approx 8 miles from Fox studios)
*Put up a Winegard Platinum antenna in the attic as close as I could get it to the north wall pointing directly at WITI studios.
Got a clear signal last night with no dropouts. However, had trouble receiving other stations so had to reposition thus losing WITI signal. At least I know I can reposition it for packer games. Is WITI sending through widescreen still or is that on the backburner until their main tower is ready?

It's widescreen and well worth moving your antenna for. They have also been doing a better job sending the other widescreen shows. Sure they still have problems on their end, but it's worth watching, in my opinion.

Starving

[eheinze]

Recently got the Hughes E86.
Live in Pewaukee - Capitol and 164 (J)
Receive 0 signal strength on Faux 6

RS-110 Antenna in the garage Attic with a 20db amplifier at the antenna.

I receive 4, 10, 12, and 58 just fine.

ETH

[Greg Oman]

Never been able to receive it here.

HWY 164 & 59
Mits 55859 w/tuner (no signal meter)
CM 4228 on roof
CM 7777 Amp

Greg O.

[BrettD]

I'm located at Good Hope Rd & 76th Street basically and i DO get 6-1 on my Samsung SIR-T165 with a set of UHF/VHF "rabbit-ears and an amplifier (some old Archer thing I found). It's not a real good quality picture though. I guess I should just be happy my STB locked the signal up!

Samsung SIR-T165
Hitachi 43UWX10B