Anyone seen the new HD2+ DLP sets?

[Andrew Grall]

Has anyone seen the new HD2+ based DLP sets anywhere in Milwaukee yet?

A lot of places are getting the Samsung HLP sets with the HD3, but I have not yet seen any with the HD2+ chip. There are Samsungs, Toshibas, Panasonics and Mitsubishis on the way...

[Andrew Grall]

I saw the "Captain Kirk" Samsung at American yesterday. It was impressive.

They also had the Mits there, but the screen has so much glare on it.... Why would they do that to such a nice TV?

[mcneguy]

I saw the Toshiba 52" yesterday, very very nice. It bugs me because in about 4-7 hours, American is bringing over my Hitachi 60v500 and I don't know if I should accept it or run out and buy the Toshiba 52" (I think 60 may be too many inches for me anyway). It's about $300 more than the Hitachi 60" LCD....

Off topic rant...why are the matching stands so %^%$$$$ expensive?

[Andrew Grall]

Where did you see it? I'd like to check it out myself...

[mcneguy]

Audio Emporium, great guys to deal with..

www.audioemporium.com

[DeBelak]

Next week I am going to buy the sony XBR 70"
from american in waukesha (they have a 70" one on display
along with a 60") This tv impressed me.
I thought about projection tv (you know the ones mounted on the celing.but the blacks are not really black)

Any thoughts?

[StarvingForHDTV]

Originally posted by mcneguy
Audio Emporium, great guys to deal with..

www.audioemporium.com

Thanks for the tip.

Starving

[HiFiTy]

Colders in Oak Creek has the Toshiba 52" DLP along with both the 61" and 52" JVC DILA sets on their floor.

Send me a PM if you are interested in either one.

[picopir8]

Originally posted by DeBelak
Next week I am going to buy the sony XBR 70"
from american in waukesha (they have a 70" one on display
along with a 60") This tv impressed me.
I thought about projection tv (you know the ones mounted on the celing.but the blacks are not really black)

Any thoughts?

I have a computer projector which I use for TV. If there is lots of ambient light, yes the picture can look a little washed out. You just want to maximize the ratio of the projectors brightness vs the ambient light. So if you get a bright projector or keep the room pretty dark then you wont notice the not-so-black blacks. My projector is located in an east room. It can get washed out in the moring hours if I dont pull the shades, but in the evening hours it looks great even without pulling the shades.

[RODDMOD]

61" and 52" JVC DILA, Please don't buy anyhthing until you look at these.

[StarvingForHDTV]

Originally posted by RODDMOD
61" and 52" JVC DILA, Please don't buy anyhthing until you look at these.

Where do we look?

Thanks in advance,

Starving

[Andrew Grall]

I've seen the JVC's at American and at Colders...

I hate to say it, but I'm not overly impressed so far.

[mrmike]

The JVC can be tweaked to be a very watchable set IMHO. I'm still not sure it's the holy grail of digital RPTV I was looking for, but it's pretty enough. It appears to have a sub-par scaler/analogue section compared to some other sets in the price range (current gen DLPs and LCDs). The black levels are good, not great but good. Some tweaking in the user controls can make them look very bad, though, as well as crushing blacks and whites. If it's set up right it's at least as watchable as the Samsung DLPs, but with a different set of artifacts/issues (less panning/motion issues and more edge/ringing issues). Some of this may be tweakable in the service menus. I like the color rendition better than the Wega LCD or the Samsung DLPs without question. It's still on my list for possible purchase when the tuner/firewire version comes out in the fall.

[RODDMOD]

AVS has a group buy on the JVC 61" 3900.00 delivered to your home.

Crazy price.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4122630#post4122630

[RODDMOD]

MRMIKE

"appears to have a sub-par scaler/analogue section "

you would need to take some pretty advanced equipment along to check this out.

"black levels are good, not great but good. "

Only a CRT can be great.

"user controls can make them look very bad, though, as well as crushing blacks and whites. "

Pretty much true of any Projection system.

IMO.

[mrmike]

Originally posted by RODDMOD
"appears to have a sub-par scaler/analogue section "

you would need to take some pretty advanced equipment along to check this out.


I've been using a QuantumData test pattern generator and the AVIA test patterns from DVD for most of my 480i testing on sets in stores. The moving cubes pattern from the Quantum in particular is quite demanding to a scaler/deinterlacer. I need some good 3-2 pulldown tests, though. I'm told that the DVE DVD has some good cadence tests on it, but I don't own that one yet.

-MM

[StarvingForHDTV]

I'll probably check it out sometime. I'm waiting for the right TV to upgrade. Maybe next year will provide better choices. Thanks for the information.

Starving