TMJ4 HD is on TWC now!!! ch. 504

[ajnike]

Finally a new channel. Also, lets not all forget to check out jay leno and ER, and Conan O' Brien????? I dont know if he is on HD yet.

thanks
Mike <-----newbie
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[Tom Snyder]

I don't think Conan is HD yet.. but very soon! If you haven't seen Leno yet in HD, be ready to be blown away... arguably some of the best picture quality on Network HDTV.

[kjnorman]

Don't forget that 'Ed' and 'Law and Order' are also both in HDTV tonight.

I'll check this out when I get home.

Kerry

[RickNeff]

WooHoo! It's nice to finally see a local HD channel on TWC! So much better than the yucky (yeah, I know I'm getting technical) analog channel.

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Richard Neff
Proud Toshiba 56x81 owner!

[Matt Heebner]

I am glad that they are finally getting HD going in TWC. If News Corp. (Mad Murdoch)ends up buying DirecTv, thats where I will be heading. Anyways...wait till you see Kevin's (Jay Leno's bandleader) shine on his very white teeth. Once I saw that I knew it had to be HD! That and you can make out faces in the audience about 10 rows up. Also, notice the fabric type on Leno's suits. Sometimes he even wears suits with very faint pin-striping on it...something you would never see in analog.
Am I getting anyone excited yet?

Matt

[RickNeff]

Am I getting anyone excited yet?

Like any of us need prompting! http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/cool.gif

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Richard Neff
Proud Toshiba 56x81 owner!

[Gregg Lengling]

Exited ?????
NO !!!
I've been watching it for free for a long time now.....I've already got my payback from not paying TWC and receiving over the air.


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Gregg R. Lengling
RCA P61310 61" 16x9
HiDTV Pro 2 computer reciever card
glengling@ameritech.net

[SugarRay]

How is the picture quality on TWC vs OTA?

[veyj]

Originally posted by SugarRay:
How is the picture quality on TWC vs OTA?

Excellent question. And who has the answer?

[kjnorman]

Ed do not look too bad tonight not the greatest but not too bad either. The West Wing - even though standard def, upconverted and stuck with the annoying border all round - still looked way better than analog. Even more, I watched the ads (yep, can't Tivo out the ads with HDTV http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/frown.gif)

Originally posted by veyj:
How is the picture quality on TWC vs OTA? Excellent question. And who has the answer?

So who wants to bring an OTA STB round to my place and plug it into my TV to test this?

I'm only two miles from the transmitters (can even see them from the upstairs windows) so I should get a nice strong signal even with a dinky indoor antenna.

Kerry

knorman@wi.rr.com

[Joseph S]

OTA looks better here. TW is too purplish on my set. Will see how Leno looks later.

Update: Leno looks really purple on TW. I'll recalibrate my inputs this weekend, but I don't think a fair comparison can be made without TW color bars.

[This message has been edited by Joseph S (edited 11-13-2002).]

[kjnorman]

I would say that I get some colour calibration issues and a problem tryng to dial in the right contrast and white level with the 3100HD box. It is certainly not the greatest, and I would imagine that an OTA box that someone pays $500 for would look better.

Just my opinion.

Kerry

[gyoung]

Pretty obvious, but the HD is wayyyyy!! better than the analog channel 4 on TWC. It just shows how bad TWC's analog channels are.

Also, it looks like NBC doesn't offer many of it's primetime shows in HD. Only the Tonight Show and ER and Law and Order. Why not all their other sitcoms?

[This message has been edited by gyoung (edited 11-14-2002).]

[btbowen1]

In my comparison between the two, OTA is better but not by a large margin, it was a clearer picture and the cable channel was a little grainy. It was still a good picture though. The SD upconvert programs looks good on cable, just as good as my Samsung Sir-t151, but with the OTA, I don't have to view upconverts with the black bars on the side. But I did'nt have the color issue someone previously mentioned.

Brian

[beirnead]

I don't have an OTA box, so I can't compare it to TWC. However, I saw Leno on TWC HD last night for the first time and, WOW!!! Even the upconverted stuff looked a lot cleaner than the analog. Too bad there wasn't a way to get rid of the black bars on the side. Anyone with a projection screen worried about burn in from these?

[kjnorman]

My wife called me sad for watching Leno last night just because it was in high definition; I do not normally like the show.

However, the picture did look wonderful.

I had to spend some time last night recalibrating my TV. I find that HBO HD has a somewhat foggy look, and the TV was calibrated on its HD input to make the best of that. However, the WTMJDT station is more vibrant. I found I had to reset my contrast, brightness and tweak the colour down to get the best from the picture.

I may have a faulty 3100HD box however, as I often get crackle on my digital audio comming from the box with HD sources. I always thought it was just the PBS demo channel as I had not noticed it on HBO, but it was quite apparent on WTMJ last night - particularly during Leno.

Anyone else get crackling, or is it just my box?

Kerry

[RickNeff]

Just some quick replies to questions based on what I'm seeing.

Anyone else get crackling, or is it just my box?

I don't have any crackling or such on mine. I would suspect it's the box.

Anyone with a projection screen worried about burn in from these?

Since I've lowered the brightness & contrast with the Avia DVD, I don't worry too much about burn-in on mine. Of course, I tend not to watch on the HD inputs unless it's HD programming at 16:9.

I think I'd have to worry more about DVDs in OAR more than 4:3 programming on my widescreen.

But I did'nt have the color issue someone previously mentioned.

I don't seem to have any color issues either. Of course, I don't currently have OTA to compare directly to what I'm seeing with the HD cable input.

Also, it looks like NBC doesn't offer many of it's primetime shows in HD. Only the Tonight Show and ER and Law and Order. Why not all their other sitcoms?

Actually, ER isn't in HD. From the FAQ on the NBC site (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/footer/FAQ.shtml), the following NBC shows are in HD: American Dreams, Boomtown, Crossing Jordan, Ed (I know this since I checked it last night), Frasier, In-Laws, Hidden Hills, Good Morning Miami, & Tonight Show (Again, watched this last night)

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Richard Neff
Proud Toshiba 56x81 owner!

[This message has been edited by RickNeff (edited 11-14-2002).]

[kjnorman]

I should just add, that when I mentioned colour issues, i was really refering to the whole picture set up from the box. It is not "really" a problem - more an annoyance.

My normal def inputs were calibrated with Avia and I had done 64 point convergence and overscan setting on my set - but again for SD only. The trouble is that there is no reference material for tuning up 1080i resolutions. Also, I moved house since I originally calibrated the set, and have not go round to resetting it yet (heck, I have not even hooked up my rear speakers yet, so I am listing to 3.1 DD :0)

So the issues are mostly mine, but tweaking the HD material is hard when there is no reference to compare it too.

Kerry

[kjnorman]

Originally posted by RickNeff:
Actually, ER isn't in HD.

Err, actually it is. It is just they introduced it late and switched to HDTV without making a big fuss about it.

Here are some threads on the subject.

AVS Thread 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188650)

AVS Thread 2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185605)

AVS Thread 3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178719)


Kerry

[Todd Wiedemann]

OT: At least he won't be subjected to the HD arm-severing-at-the-bicep-by-helicopter-blade 'beauty' http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[kjnorman]

You lost me on that on Todd!

[Joseph S]

ER is HD as mentioned above. I think the decision came in hours before the season premiere.

[Todd Wiedemann]

Sorry ...

The first HD episode of ER was also the first ep. of the season. Dr. Romano was working on the roof of the hospital and accidently stepped into a helicopter blade, severing his left arm at the bicep.

It was *quite* disturbing, especially in HD glory !

[Todd Wiedemann]

Just flipped on, expecting an upconvert and saw a lighthouse piece, in HD !

What's up Sean ?? Will we still get NBC HD content ?? http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/ubb/wink.gif

[RickNeff]

Err, actually it is. It is just they introduced it late and switched to HDTV without making a big fuss about it.

Oops! I stand corrected. Guess those of us w/TWC are a little late in keeping up with such things.

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Richard Neff
Proud Toshiba 56x81 owner!

[oflaherty]

We had the lighthouse and other HD demo tapes on Thursday afternoon (3-7 pm) for a special ceremony at Time Warner for the launch of WTMJ-DT on cable channel 504.
We wanted to show off HD at the ceremony, but that would not be possible just watching standard definition newscasts.
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Sean at TMJ

[kermtfrg]

Did anyone else have problems with ER last night on TWC? Around 9:30, the picture started breaking up, 10 minutes later the audio and video were noticeably off. We had to switch back to analog because it was very annoying.

Overall, I was blown away by the picture.

[kjnorman]

Originally posted by kermtfrg:
Did anyone else have problems with ER last night on TWC? Around 9:30, the picture started breaking up, 10 minutes later the audio and video were noticeably off. We had to switch back to analog because it was very annoying.

Overall, I was blown away by the picture.

Yep, big problems. I posted a thread on the technical section of the forum.

[brewtownska]

kjnorman, I have the same problem with cutting out audio on the HD channels with the 3100HD box from TWC. If you happen to find out anything more about the problem, please let us all know.

By the way, y'all have a great thing going here at the forum. I've been reading the threads on this board for a long time, but never really posted anything. Maybe that'll change now that us TWC customers actually have something to watch now!


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[Skipjack]

I must say the HD feed of ER & Leno last night looked "clearer" than analog. I still didn't find them as riveting as the HD feed on PBS HD (710). I found ER a little too "grainy". Perhaps it's the stage lighting on Leno that made it look a little "pixelated".

Perhaps TWC is still working on the bugs, I'll wait until the official roll-out dates before I give it a real critical eye.

[P a u l]

Originally posted by lummox:
Exited ?????
NO !!!
I've been watching it for free for a long time now.....I've already got my payback from not paying TWC and receiving over the air.





Yeah maybe we should charge everyone who has HDTV to see our programs. After all everyone else who is broadcasting in digital format is, TW, and XM Radio for example. Funny how TW makes money off our multi-million dollar investment yet we have yet to see a dime from it!!!!

[Gregg Lengling]

I'd be more than happy to pay...once you remove all the ads and the left wing network newscasters!

[P a u l]

And I'd be happy to shut it down and save us the $5000/month electric bill.